Joker328
Well-Known Member
This struck me as one of the few reasonable and even-keeled responses in this whole thread, so thanks for that.I think they have a lot of valid criticisms and they have a lot more seat time in many cars under conditons that many owners of this car have not experienced. And there is ofcourse the natural bias of being the owner of the car and arguing on the forum for said car.
The car in stock form is too soft in the rear, which does make it lag behind the sharp front end and pog around, causing instability. Personally, this was a draw for me. I like snappy cars that are a bit wild, exciting and difficult to drive. S2000 was like this (mostly do to aero), the viper is like this and older Porsches are like this. I would rather manage oversteer than understeer. The supra blew me away in this regard, a car this tail happy with this much power being solid to the public is a blessing and probably one of the last of its kind unless you have stupid money.
The supra is sharp, but it's not very communicative through the wheel. Those are separate qualities; raw speed =/= driver engagement. A part of that is a modern platform and a part of that is simply the budget constraints. In a car that talks to you about what it's doing you can get in and drive it hard right away. Well set up track cars and race cars are like this, the GT3 is like this, among other exotics. You can get in, drive it with slip angle right away because you have confidence in the feedback from the car. I do not get that from the Supra. However you do need some high performance driving experience to appreciate those qualities in communication with a car at the limit. And Im not talking about "racing" in the canyons.
Jack actually likes cars that are a bit more wild. Mark likes predictable, steady cars that are easy to drive consistently at the track. I can see why he takes some issue with the car. He's also a solid and experienced driver, a bit more so than Jack I believe. They both have extensive track experience in many, fast cars.
The supra is far from perfect and its certainly far from the best "drivers car". However it's a massive performance value proposition.
For my needs, in the 50-100k bracket there is no better sports car for the value.
Can you (or someone) help me understand what people mean when they say the Supra is too soft in the rear and that is leading to oversteer/instability? I thought the conventional wisdom if you are experiencing oversteer is to actually soften the rear or stiffen the front. What part of the corner are people having issues with (entry/apex/exit)? I have only had it on track once so far and had it in Traction Mode, so I didn't really experience any of this. Also, why are so many folks going with a square setup if it is so prone to oversteer? Wouldn't that make it worse?
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