Evasive told me 3-month backorder on the ClubRacers yesterday. They offered the Pmu HC+ as an alternative that is in stock. It looks like the HC+ has the same heat tolerance as the Club Racer (800 deg C), but the friction coefficient is different - more streetable and better cold bite. They are marketed as a street/track pad. I don't really feel like being the guinea pig to see how these work on track.Almost harder to get than Club Racers. Last time I checked I was given a six month ETA.
They actually seem like a more agressive pad and are more expensive as well. The Club racer pad is also marketed as a street/track padEvasive told me 3-month backorder on the ClubRacers yesterday. They offered the Pmu HC+ as an alternative that is in stock. It looks like the HC+ has the same heat tolerance as the Club Racer (800 deg C), but the friction coefficient is different - more streetable and better cold bite. They are marketed as a street/track pad. I don't really feel like being the guinea pig to see how these work on track.
I price checked CSG, and they're even more expensive now than when I bought mine in early '23. It was outrageous before...
Man I am stuck need something for the summer. Maybe another Stock set errr
Don’t run HC+ on a track car. Think of those as “oem+” pads that you would use in the same scenario as oem pads.Edit...throwing in CSG for comparison
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Some data points so I'm not working off of memory:
PMu Club Racer friction compound:
Temperature Range: 200-800ºC (392-1472ºF)
Friction Coefficient: ~0.45-0.59
PMu HC+ friction compound:
Temperature Range: 0-800ºC (32-1472ºF)
Friction Coefficient: ~0.43-0.58
CSG C21 friction compound:
Temperature Range: 380-950ºC
Friction Coefficient: ~0.42-0.48
Hmmm...this makes a compelling argument for the HC+. Not that I care much about cold performance, but it does look to be more streetable, and provides almost the same friction coefficient as the club racer.
I know @razorlab did a nice writeup here at some point about CoF for race pads.
Well...I'm not fast...but I'm not exactly a first time HPDE'r either.Don’t run HC+ on a track car. Think of those as “oem+” pads that you would use in the same scenario as oem pads.
yeah it’s okay if you’re a first timer at HPDE and you’re slow and street tires, but if you put those on a track car they will melt.
Don’t run HC+ on track unless you like not being able to stop.Edit...throwing in CSG for comparison
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Some data points so I'm not working off of memory:
PMu Club Racer friction compound:
Temperature Range: 200-800ºC (392-1472ºF)
Friction Coefficient: ~0.45-0.59
PMu HC+ friction compound:
Temperature Range: 0-800ºC (32-1472ºF)
Friction Coefficient: ~0.43-0.58
CSG C21 friction compound:
Temperature Range: 380-950ºC
Friction Coefficient: ~0.42-0.48
Hmmm...this makes a compelling argument for the HC+. Not that I care much about cold performance, but it does look to be more streetable, and provides almost the same friction coefficient as the club racer.
I know @razorlab did a nice writeup here at some point about CoF for race pads.
that's really the best option, always have a set of rotors and pads ready so you are never caught out.I'm sitting on a fresh set of stock front/rear pads I'll probably never use that I can sell for $220 shipped if you get desperate. Should be a good discount off what you can find online.
I ended up the the same situation as you and basically had Club Racers on order for 4 months and needed something right away and ordered this set. Then the Club Racers showed up the same week the stock ones did. Now I'm keeping an extra set of Club Racers on hand with one on order here on out so I don't run out again.
thanks for the feedbackDon’t run HC+ on track unless you like not being able to stop.
I would take a lot of the published numbers from manufacturers with a grain of salt. Great example are the CSG C21 friction co numbers. They are total bullshit. Anyone that has used those pads knows they aren’t 0.48. More like starting at 0.58, if not higher. They eat rotors up big time and are light switches. Yes, they even upped the price to $590, from the already insanity price they were before.
Ah - thanks for the feedback. I think Bimmerworld can get them. Wear characteristics sound like the CSGs, but sound like they give better feel.the PFC 11 is quite hard to find and expensive as well. Looked around at a few local shops, none could get their hands on the part number specified on PFC website.
That being said, that's what I ran for 4 years on my GT4 and loved them. Not very noisy, not very dusty, doesn't wear very fast, good modulation. Only thing I noticed, they were hard on rotors.
yep almost the only place i found them... But they are twice the price of the Club racers, so I would have liked to try a cheaper option first (like the EBC RPX i've been waiting for 2 months) to compare.Ah - thanks for the feedback. I think Bimmerworld can get them. Wear characteristics sound like the CSGs, but sound like they give better feel.